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Sepsis talk 2017

October 12, 2017 by Josh Farkas Leave a Comment

Welcome to the e-resources for my talk & subsequent panel discussion at the Northern New England Critical Care Conference 2017.

Slides from the talk are located here here.  Sorry they are black/white, it was the only way to reduce the file size enough to include it here.  Full-color pictures of important figures are in the blogs below.   More information about these topics is below, arranged in parallel to the structure of the talk:

  • Early pressors
    • Early initiation of vasopressors
  • Peripheral pressors
    • Peripheral vasopressors
    • Phenylephrine infusion is very similar to norepinephrine infusion
  • Ignore CVP and mixed venous oxygen saturation
    • Mixed venous oxygen saturation: signal or noise?
    • CVP is useless (by Paul Marik)
  • More to volume overload than pulmonary edema
    • Abdominal compartment syndrome & fluid overload
  • Small IVC & hyperkinetic heart doesn't mean volume will help
    • Empty IVC & LV doesn't equal volume depletion
  • Lactate isn't an indicator of perfusion or anaerobiasis
    • Understanding lactate
  • Consider epinephrine as a 2nd line pressor
    • Take the epinephrine challenge
  • Maybe vitamin C can help
    • Metabolic sepsis resuscitation

After the talk we had a panel discussion including Drs. William Charish (Surgery/CC) and Lyle Gerety (Anesthesia/CC).  It was a great discussion, with a few salient points as below:

  • Peripheral pressors
    • Charish: Evidence consists of case reports, we may be over-reacting to the possible harm.
    • Gerety:  In the operating room we use peripheral phenylephrine like water.
    • Me:  For crashing patient, any peripheral catecholamine vasopressor is OK until stabilized (often with central line placement).  For patient remaining on peripheral pressors for longer periods of time (e.g. 6-48hr) I only use phenylephrine or epinephrine.
    • Gerety:  In addition to risk of extravasation, need to also consider risk of central line insertion.
  • Resuscitation targets
    • Surprising amount of agreement about this, I thought, although there doesn't seem to be any magical resuscitation target.  Ultimately I think we're all similarly befuddled.
    • Important targets include urine output, MAP, skin perfusion, mental status, increasing/decreasing pressor requirement (back to the basics).
    • Lactate isn't a great resuscitation target but we will continue to trend this because it's required by CMS.
    • Rising lactate meaningless if patient is on epinephrine infusion (may be a harbinger of improvement rather than deterioration).
    • Rising lactate in patient not on epinephrine is sign of badness, not a blind trigger for fluid administration.  Evaluate patient globally: are we using wrong antibiotic?  Missing surgical source control?   Wrong diagnosis altogether?

Even more stuff:

  • Alphabetized content  (sepsis listed under the infectious disease category)
  • iSepsis (resource by Paul Marik on sepsis)

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Cite this post as:

Josh Farkas. Sepsis talk 2017. EMCrit Blog. Published on October 12, 2017. Accessed on December 10th 2025. Available at [https://cmefix.emcrit.org/squirt/stowe/ ].

Financial Disclosures:

The course director, Dr. Scott D. Weingart MD FCCM, reports no relevant financial relationships with ineligible companies. This episode’s speaker(s) report no relevant financial relationships with ineligible companies unless listed above.

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Original Release: October 12, 2017
Date of Most Recent Review: Jul 1, 2024
Termination Date: Jul 1, 2027

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